Saturday, November 11, 2023

Stevie Nicks and Billy Joel Live in Minneapolis November 10, 2023

Concert review: Odd couple Billy Joel and Stevie Nicks offer fun night at U.S. Bank Stadium

By ROSS RAIHALA


Photo: lauraannkg on IG

If Billy Joel and Stevie Nicks seem like an odd combination, well they are. He’s a steely, populist New Yorker, while she’s a dramatic hippie witch from Phoenix. And yet, the pair delivered a delightful and nostalgic evening Friday at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, even if they took two quite different approaches.

Nicks amped up the moody atmosphere for her set, a blend of her solo hits and some of the songs she wrote for Fleetwood Mac, and wore a series of her famous shawls. Early on, she told the crowd one of her backup singers tested positive for COVID that morning and Nicks’ vocal coach was filling in. Nicks said it would sound a little different and it did, particularly during “Edge of Seventeen” and “Landslide.” A bit distracting, but not enough to be a game changer.

As for Nicks, she sounded terrific. Now 75, she twirls slower than she used to, but she can still sing. Whether she was belting out “Stand Back” or bringing the audience in with “Dreams,” Nicks nailed it.

Her longtime guitarist Waddy Wachtel — a session musician who has worked with everyone from Linda Ronstadt to Dolly Parton — also shined. He extended the instrumental breaks in several numbers, most notably “Gold Dust Woman,” an already dramatic song he transformed into a true epic.

Nicks also covered two very distinctive songs — Buffalo Springfield’s “For What It’s Worth” and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers’ “Free Fallin” — and somehow made them her own. True magic.

Four songs into her set, Nicks played her debut solo single “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around,” with Joel popping out to sing Petty’s part. He did a decent job and later in his own set offered a surprisingly awesome Mick Jagger impersonation (both singing- and dancing-wise) during a snippet of the Rolling Stones’ “Start Me Up.”

Joel takes an old-fashioned and showbizzy approach to performing live, complete with massive hooks and canned comic lines he’s used hundreds of times. For example, he took the stage to the end score from the 1984 Robert Redford sports film “The Natural,” written by Randy Newman channeling Aaron Copland.

The 75-year-old wasn’t afraid to pump up his old hits like “Only the Good Die Young” and “New York State of Mind” into true stadium rockers. Crucially, though, he didn’t significantly alter any arrangements, he just made them bigger and bolder.

As such, the set list was packed with Joel’s many hits, the ones he’s been playing for decades now. The crowd greeted each one like an old friend, from “My Life” and “Movin’ Out (Anthony’s Song)” to “Scenes from an Italian Restaurant” and “Piano Man.” (Joel retired from recording pop/rock albums with 1993’s “River of Dreams.”)

The furthest Joel strayed was a pair of album cuts early in his set, “Summer, Highland Falls” and “Zanzibar.” Of the latter, Joel noted it “gets played on TikTok, whatever the hell that is.” Joel sure knows how to put on a show.


Review: Billy Joel and Stevie Nicks team up to thrill classic rock fans of all ages
Despite no new music for decades, the Rock Hall of Famers packed U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. 

By Jon Bream Star Tribune


Billy Joel stands close to alone. Fifty years to the week after he released the album "Piano Man" — featuring that sing-along ode to loneliness — he was ambitiously playing at U.S. Bank Stadium even though he hasn't released an album of new songs in 30 years. What other solo artist would attempt that?

Stevie Nicks stands close to alone, too. One year to the month after the death of her bestie Christine McVie, she was playing at U.S. Bank Stadium, opening for Joel, as essentially the last singer standing from Fleetwood Mac. (Remember the band unceremoniously dismissed Lindsey Buckingham in 2018, and he's scaled back to performing in theaters.)

Joel and Nicks seem like an odd pairing — the pugnacious New Yorker and the mystical California hippie. Yet, the Rock & Roll Hall of Famers have joined forces this year for the eight-city Two Icons, One Night Tour, which falls between their separate arena gigs.

The New York/California ticket got the overwhelming approval Friday night of maybe 50,000 multi-generational voters at the packed Vikings stadium (according to our applause poll).

With living-in-the-past Joel, the fans indicated that "we love you just the way you were." Of the 25 or so selections his group offered, all but two were from 1982 or earlier. And not all were hits, as he included deep tracks "Summer Highland Falls" for "all you manic depressives" and "Zanzibar" with its snazzy jazzy Carl Fischer trumpet solo.

Joel was, as always, full of shtick, attitude and, now, dad jokes. He did his dad-dance impression of Mick Jagger by doing a taste of the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up," and he had his guitarist Mike DelGuidice detour into a gratuitous slab of Led Zeppelin's "Whole Lotta Love" as well as Puccini's aria "Nessun Dorma." Like Joel's catalog, his two-hour set was a remarkable rangy musical melting pot.

Joel remembered playing at the Marigold Ballroom "in the boondocks" (actually it was downtown Minneapolis, where the Hyatt Regency stands), and he asked for prayers so he could still hit his high notes on "An Innocent Man" (he did).

Yes, he was in good voice at age 74, save for control issues on a couple of tunes. He turned "The Longest Time" and the doo-wop styled "River of Dreams" into wonderful group vocal showcases. The piano man gave each of his fun-loving musicians time in the spotlight, which doesn't typically happen at stadium shows. Moreover, the sound for Joel's highly musical set was better than usual at the football palace. Too bad his crew couldn't get the live video cameras to work on the opening "My Life."

Nicks, who in 2016 toured with Chrissie Hynde and the Pretenders (same era, different vibe), delivered a greatest-hits set this time, unlike her arena trek seven years ago that featured plenty of deep tracks. As the first act to hit the stage Friday, Nicks knew how to get the party started segueing into "Dreams," the Fleetwood Mac song that got resurrected via TikTok in 2020, for her second number.

She pulled out her trump card on the fourth selection, "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," as Joel sauntered out to sing the part originally done by Tom Petty on Nicks' debut solo single in 1981.

The duet may not have been as spirited as when Nicks pulled it off with Hynde in St. Paul seven years ago, but it certainly invigorated the late-arriving Minneapolis crowd. Afterward, Nicks explained that she's done the song live with Petty, Harry Styles and others, but Joel "scares me every time." It was a little unclear if she meant that in a good way.

There was no question that Nicks, 75, was in terrific voice, that seductive husky siren of hers, though it was hard to fully appreciate her 90-minute performance in the echo chamber that is the Vikings stadium. Moreover, the live video — that was essential in the massive coliseum with a petite performer who eschewed her usual signature dizzying dancing — was marred by all kinds of tacky patterns (colorful dots, gold bubbles, etc.) over her image.

Waddy Wachtel's guitar consistently cut through, whether the mysterious and ultimately noisy slashing on "Gold Dust Woman," one of Nicks' highlights, or the edgy riffing on "Edge of Seventeen" (which also featured a funky organ passage by the Twin Cities' own Ricky Peterson).

Nicks did not mention Prince even though she played their funky 1983 collaboration "Stand Back." As she always does in the Twin Cities, she gave a shout out to "my one and only husband," Kim Anderson, her ex- who was in the audience and to whom she dedicated "Wild Heart."

Despite a few glitches, Joel and Nicks reinforced what the music business long ago learned: Classic rock knows no expiration date. 

Stevie Nicks Detroit November 7, 2023

Stevie Nicks cast a spell over Detroit audience at Little Caesars Arena
The Queen of Rock and Roll put on one epic show



by: Jack Roskopp

“There’s just something that’s so rock and roll about Detroit City,” said Stevie Nicks at the top of her headlining show at Little Caesars Arena Tuesday night.

She is certainly right about that statement, and rock and roll she did deliver. As the first woman to ever be inducted twice into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (once with Fleetwood Mac and again as a solo artist), she lived up to her title as Queen of Rock and Roll.

Dressed in all black and her signature shawls, Nicks tore through her back catalogue of hits, which included Fleetwood Mac hits (”Dreams,” “Gypsy,” “Gold Dust Woman”) as well as songs from her solo career.

The best part was that she introduced almost every song with a little story or anecdote, and man were they entertaining. She told stories of her time before joining Fleetwood Mac, how she and Lindsey Buckingham were dirt poor until they joined the band and her friendship with the late Tom Petty.

She even encouraged the audience to get out and vote (it was election day, after all), and how she didn’t actually vote in election until recently, and to not be dumb and stupid like she has been all her life with not voting. For the amount of young people in the crowd last night (all dressed as her, of course), it was a needed message.

I’ve seen Nicks a few other times while she was on tour with Fleetwood Mac, and she never talked this much when she was with the band. That’s probably because Fleetwood Mac has so many songs to get through in their setlist, so it was kinda great that she could be a bit more intimate, even while playing at a packed arena.

But it was all about the performance for Nicks. At 75-years-old, she still sounds amazing. The highlights, of course, was when she performed Fleetwood Mac hits. “Dreams” and “Gypsy” were ethereal, while “Rhiannon” during her encore was as witchy as ever. It was like she cast a spell over the entire audience.

She also added some covers to her setlist. “For What It’s Worth” by Buffalo Springfield was a welcome surprise (also her story before she played the song was delightful as ever), and a cover of “Free Fallin’” by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers was a beautiful tribute to her late friend.

Speaking of tributes, she closed out the show with her most famous song, “Landslide,” and dedicated it to Christine McVie, her best friend and Fleetwood Mac bandmate who died almost a year ago. Images of Nicks and McVie played on the screens in the arena while Nicks warmly sang the lyrics “Children get older, I’m getting older, too.” As a lifelong Fleetwood Mac fan, I couldn’t help but get emotional.

Nicks told the audience right before the show ended how this tour has helped her deal with the immense grief of losing McVie, and it was the perfect note to end a wonderful night of music on.

“Join the peace train,” she said at one point during the show, and it was a perfect reminder for what’s going on in today’s world. Long live rock and roll, and long live Stevie Nicks.


Stevie Nicks (Live) 4K - Opening Songs - 11/7/23


Stevie Nicks in Detroit: Storyteller, showstopper singing Fleetwood Mac and solo hits
By Edward Pevos

DETROIT - She has one of those voices you have to hear in person to get the full appreciation for. Stevie Nicks performed both Fleetwood Mac hits and songs from her solo catalog at Little Caesars Arena in Detroit on Tuesday, November 7.

She took the stage at 8:25 p.m. to a loud applause, performing “Outside The Rain,” a deep cut, before smoothly mashing into “Dreams,” performing it just the way fans remember the song when it was released in 1977. After hearing the 75-year old’s strong, signature vocals on this Fleetwood Mac classic, fans knew they were in for a special evening.

Nicks didn’t just perform, she was a storyteller, giving fans some history behind many of the songs she performed. Like how she didn’t have a lead single for her “Bella Donna” album until Tom Petty offered her “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” to record. And she says she had the choice to do it with or without him. You know how that turned out.

Nicks also performed a cover of “For What It’s Worth,” a song written by Stephen Stills and made famous by Buffalo Springfield. Nicks told the crowd she said when she was younger that she would record it when she became a rock star. She put it on her 2010 album, “In Your Dreams.” She says she always had thought the song was political, but says it is actually about the Sunset Strip curfew riots.

Nicks also paid tribute to the late Petty with a strong rendition of “Free Fallin,’” showing pictures of the two together throughout the years.

Nicks had two showstopping moments in the evening with extended versions of Fleetwood Mac’s “Gold Dust Woman” and one of her solo hits “Edge of Seventeen.” Both were mesmerizing from start to finish.

She also told the crowd there is just something about performing in “Motown.”

“I have to say that in all the years I’ve been doing this, I always remember being in Detroit many, many times to play. I don’t know whether it’s Detroit City, like the song, or cars, I don’t know. It’s just something in the name of Detroit that’s just really special and rock and roll. I’m so happy that I’m here still standing and alive.”

The setlist also included solo hits “If Anyone Falls” and “Stand Back” as well as Fleetwood Mac staples “Gypsy,” “Rhiannon” and “Landslide.” In all, she performed 17 songs in two hours with plenty of storytelling. Nicks voice is just as strong as ever and she delivered a memorable night of music.

“You have been patient listening to my long stories and I love you for that so much, really. I will take that home with me tonight.”



Stevie Nicks celebrates long career, absent friends at Little Caesars Arena
By GARY GRAFF 

Stevie Nicks called to “get this party started” early on during her concert Tuesday night, Nov. 7, at Detroit’s Little Caesars Arena.

What the presented, however, was a bit of a wake — albeit a celebratory one.

Nicks, at 75 and nearly 50 years into a two-time Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducted recording career, put absent friends front and center during her two-hour show. Tom Petty was particularly top of mind; Nicks and her eight-member band entered the stage to his “Runnin’ Down a Dream,” and Petty, who passed away in 2017, was part of a parade of stars (her ex-boyfriend Don Henley, occasional tour mate Billy Joel, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and others) featured on the curved rear stage video screen as she played their 1981 hit collaboration “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around.”

An emotional encore cover of Petty’s “Free Fallin’,” meanwhile, was accompanied by another photo show, this time all of Petty, his Heartbreakers and Nicks with him and them. In image of Prince, who died during 2016, appeared during “Edge of Seventeen.”

But perhaps the most moving was the show-closing rendition of Fleetwood Mac’s “Landslide,” a tribute to Nicks’ late bandmate Christine McVie — who passed last year — that was also accompanied by a three-hanky reel of vintage images of the two together.

The undercurrent of mortality was poignant but hardly a drag on a show that also celebrated Nicks’ long career and continuing potency as a performer. Wrapped in a series of shawls — including the original one she sported on the cover of her 1981 solo debut, “Bella Donna” — Nicks was a commanding presence even when standing stock still, her voice finding melodic variations in the 17 songs from her solo and Fleetwood Mac catalogs. She’s aging with grace, but her capable delivery of rockers such as “Fall From Grace,” “Wild Heart,” “Stand Back” and “Rhiannon” assured fans — many dressed in Nicks’ flowing Welsh witch attire — that she’s hardly bowing to the years.

The support was there, too, particularly from longtime guitarist and music director Waddy Wachtel — spotlighted during numerous solos including a lengthy prologue to “Edge of Seventeen” — and backing vocalists Lori Nicks (her sister-in-law) and Sharon Celani.

The show was part “Storyteller” as well, with Nicks offering lengthy and insightful remembrances of working with Petty on “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around” and her fan experience with Buffalo Springfield’s “For What It’s Worth,” which she covered during the show. Nicks is also using this year’s tour to perform the 1985 track “I Sing for the Things” for the first time, and she dedicated “Soldier’s Angel” to current war in Ukraine, with video images of the struggle and of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Nicks didn’t delve deeply into politics, however. “You came her for peace — that’s what I’m trying to give you,” she explained before the song. “We just sing this for peace.”

Nicks demonstrated admirable self-awareness at the end of the night, telling the Little Caesars crowd that “you have been sweet and you have been patient and you have listened to my long stories, and I love you for that.” She could rest assured the feeling from fans was mutual.

Stevie Nicks Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023 with Sheryl Crow

The 2023 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony brought out the best and brightest in the music industry for a night of electrifying performances at the Barclays Center in New York City on November 3, 2023.



One of the biggest surprises of the evening came when Stevie Nicks joined inductee Sheryl Crow on stage to perform Crow's hit 'Strong Enough' off her 1993 Grammy-winning album Tuesday Night Music Club. 

The 75-year-old Fleetwood Mac icon looked every inch the bohemian chic goddess in a billowy black ensemble as she belted out the upbeat single next to Crow, 61, who rocked out on a guitar.

The 'Edge of Seventeen' songstress wasn't finished whipping the crowd into a frenzy when the song ended, however, as she kept up her signature vocals for a round of Crow's 'Everyday Is a Winding Road'.

And the stunning female vocalists got a little help from none other than singer/songwriter/guitarist Peter Frampton.


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Tuesday, November 07, 2023

Vinyl Me Please releases exclusive versions of Fleetwood Mac's Tango In The Night and Mirage

Vinyl Me Please releases exclusive versions of Fleetwood Mac's Tango In The Night and Mirage on forest green and plum galaxy vinyl. The expected release date for both is early February. Members and non-members can pre-order now at vinylmeplease.com

This bundle includes VMP exclusive reissues of Fleetwood Mac's Tango In The Night and Mirage.

Tango In The Night is Fleetwood Mac's fourteenth studio album featuring iconic tracks like "Big Love," "Seven Wonders," "Little Lies" and "Everywhere." A volume of incredible synth-pop from the band originally released in 1987.

The VMP exclusive version of Fleetwood Mac's Tango In The Night is pressed on 180g Forest Green Galaxy vinyl at GZ Vinyl. The 1LP will arrive in a single, tip-on, foil-stamped jacket with a lyric insert. It was mastered from the original master tapes by Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound.

Mirage, the soft rock follow up to its more experimental predecessor, Tusk, is the thirteenth studio album from Fleetwood Mac and features "Gypsy," "Can't Go Back," "Hold Me" and "Oh Diane."

The VMP exclusive version of Fleetwood Mac's Mirage is pressed on 180g Plum Galaxy vinyl at GZ Vinyl. The 1LP will arrive in a single, tip-on, foil-stamped jacket with a lyric insert. The lacquers were cut from the master tapes by Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound.

Fleetwood Mac Bundle
$80 NON-MEMBER PRICE -OR- $69 MEMBER PRICE


Also offered to buy separately 

Mirage
FLEETWOOD MAC
$42 NON-MEMBER PRICE -OR- $37 MEMBER PRICE

Tango In The Night
FLEETWOOD MAC
$42 NON-MEMBER PRICE -OR- $37 MEMBER PRICE






Tuesday, October 24, 2023

Stevie Nicks Announces Baltimore Date + Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Performace

STEVIE NICKS Announced a new date: 

February 17, 2024 Baltimore, MD at CFG Bank Arena. 

Tickets on sale Friday Oct 27th



STEVIE NICKS will be performing LIVE at Rock Hall 2023! Stream it on Disney Plus, Friday, Nov. 3 at 8p ET!




Lindsey Buckingham & Omar Apollo Musicians on Musicians

Lindsey Buckingham Wrote a Song That Changed Omar Apollo’s Life
A genre-hopping young star and a rock icon compare notes on songwriting, Fleetwood Mac, relationships and much, much more

BY TOMÁS MIER
Photographs by Joshua White


I DIDN’T BRING my stilts,” dad-jokes Lindsey Buckingham as he eyes Omar Apollo, all six feet five of him. Apollo lets out a chuckle as he leans against the recording console, where Buckingham’s band, Fleetwood Mac, happened to have made Tusk 45 years ago. 

Buckingham, a 74-year-old guitar hero, might seem an odd pairing for a 26-year-old Mexican American star who makes tear-jerking alt-R&B. But as Apollo, who asked Buckingham to join him for Musicians on Musicians, puts it: “I got layers, you know?” (That’s evident as the singer jumps between playing the Cocteau Twins and norteño legend Ramón Ayala during the duo’s photo shoot.)

Once the men sit down for their chat at the Village, the legendary L.A. studio, they realize their connection is more than just musical. Perhaps, fateful. Buckingham made Tusk here. Apollo dropped his breakthrough album, Ivory, last year. “That’s crazy,” Apollo says. “We both have the elephant thing.”

Apollo’s conversation with Buckingham arrives at a pivotal moment in his career: He earned a Best New Artist Grammy nomination earlier this year, his song “Evergreen” just went platinum, and his excellent new EP, Live for Me, came out Oct. 6 — the success is coming swiftly, and he’s at a clear turning point. Buckingham knows that feeling all too well: It happened after Fleetwood Mac dropped their blockbuster album Rumours. He has some advice to impart about fame, songwriting, and going your own way as an artist. 

Omar, you wanted to talk to Lindsey. I would love to hear why.

Apollo: Well, there’s a song that you made that has so many memories attached to it, that I’m obsessed with, that literally changed how I wanted to look at music and make music.

Buckingham: And what song was that?

Apollo: It was “Never Going Back Again.”

Buckingham: Oh, wow.

Apollo: Actually, there was this guy that I had a crush on. He was in love with that song. And so, I was like, “I’m going to learn it.”

Buckingham: And did you?

Apollo: No, I couldn’t learn it. It’s impossible! I literally was sitting on tour having my friend teach me. “Teach me how to do this picking. I can’t do the picking.” It is such a specific pattern and rhythm. And my head is hurting. I was losing it: “It’s so hard.”

Buckingham: The song has changed a lot. If you listen to it on Rumours, it’s one thing, and it evolved into something different onstage over the years.

Apollo: I watched a live video of you singing it. And you don’t say it on the record, but you say it in the live version: “I’ve been down three times.” And I was like, “Man.” I remember driving in my friend’s Mini Cooper in the desert, we had gotten done a big night of partying. And then I just blast this song, and I just remember feeling like, “Oh, every time I put this song on, it makes me so happy.” And that’s something that I feel is very rare in music — for something to just affect me like that. I just want to do that one day, you know what I mean? 

[Buckingham nods.]

Buckingham: I love how you use vocals on Ivory. What’s the fourth track called? The one with Daniel Caesar on it?

Apollo: “Invincible.”

Buckingham: Yeah, your use of vocals is just so sublime. And “Killing Me.”

Apollo: That’s crazy to hear you say that.

Buckingham: Are you playing a lot of the stuff on that?

Apollo: I’m playing a lot of the acoustic guitars on that. That was me on “Invincible.” Kind of folky, then it turns into this Radiohead drummy thing.

Buckingham: That’s part of what’s interesting, is you’re cross-breeding. You’ve got these elements of R&B and soul, but then you’ve got beats that are more referencing hip-hop. The only thing I didn’t like about it was it’s too short.

Apollo: You thought it was too short?

Buckingham: I mean, it was just an intro piece. I was thinking, “Oh, he could do a whole song like that!” It’s so delicate. It’s what you’re not doing in a lot of ways that’s so great, too. What I think your challenge will end up being.… You’re poised to get to the point where these external forces are going to expect a certain thing from you. I got to that point post-Rumours. Rumours started off about the music, then the success eventually became about the success. The key is to remember who you are and to be yourself. 

Apollo: Like lean into it.

Buckingham: Lean into it, or subvert people’s expectations for the sake of your own growth. I did something really radical after Rumours, which was that I made the Tusk album. It was just a whole other palette. It wasn’t Rumours 2, but it set me on the right path for always valuing art over commerce.

Apollo: And it aged really well. When I made my first projects before Ivory, I was broke. I wasn’t really thinking about it. It was just pure.

Buckingham: After Tusk, there was a backlash, and Mick [Fleetwood] says to me, “Well, we’re not going to do that anymore.” I had to try to get back to the spontaneous mindset we had that led to Rumours. If I was going to keep following my heart, I had to start making solo albums. The people that were fans of mine, in the context of Fleetwood Mac, you lose nine-tenths of that. [With solo music], you can bring a whole other approach, on a production level, in the studio, and onstage. You’ve got some Spanish on the album, right?

Apollo: Yeah, a little bit. My mom and dad, they’re from Mexico. They knew Michael Jackson. And my dad knew the Beatles, so that was it. He showed me “Yesterday,” and that was one of the first songs I learned on guitar.

Buckingham: Not a bad place to start. Those guys could write. See, I think of myself as a stylist.

Apollo: As a stylist. Why?

Buckingham: If you think of a real writer, there are people who come from the Tin Pan Alley tradition, or Lennon and McCartney, people who just have a certain level of skill that takes them to that place. And then you’ve got something that is equally valid, which is more based on style. 

Apollo: Even with “Never Going Back Again,” the lyrics, your cadence. You said so much by saying so little. And I think that’s really what I want to do. I wanted to ask you about how you wrote it.

Buckingham: Well, it helped that I was in a band with someone who had broken up with me.

Apollo: You guys were broken up for a while?

Buckingham: In Stevie’s [Nicks] case, I think she was drawn to a new version of herself she couldn’t see before she joined Fleetwood Mac. She saw an opportunity to step out into the light a little more. I think that played into our breaking up. What I’m saying is that to have someone that you never had the luxury of having closure with made it hard to be emotionally healthy. But it might have also made it that much easier to write a song like “Never Going Back Again,” because it was the farthest thing from being academic. It was completely visceral.

Apollo: It gave me chills hearing you talk about it. There are these harmonies that happen in the middle of the song that don’t happen again. I started doing that with my songs. But that song, it woke me up.

Buckingham: That’s what it’s for, man. To pass it along for someone else to pick up on the meaning and make their own meaning. 

Apollo: I love making music. I’ve realized that I just have this creativity, I feel like I have to honor it right now in this time of my life. I’m like, “In 20, 30 years, am I going to have this same drive?” It’s actually so hard to make albums.

Buckingham: It’s OK if you don’t — that’s a long ways away. You’re right at the beginning. It’s very exciting.

Apollo: I’m about to put out this four-song EP, and it’s literally the best music I’ve ever written. It’s like I can’t stop listening to it.

Buckingham: It should go like this, you know?

Apollo: It’s interesting because only one song is about love and the rest is just about family. You just change as a writer. It’s interesting when you get out of survival mode. It’s like the switch is on and now it just can’t stop. 

Buckingham: It’s funny, isn’t it? Because it seems like there’s always stuff passing over your head in the ether somewhere. Snatch it, and take it to the next step. Because you can have an idea and 10 minutes later, it’s like, “What was that? I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.” Do a voice memo at least!

Apollo: How did you guys do voice memos back in the day?

Buckingham: Cassette players a lot of times.

Apollo: Just in your pocket?

Buckingham: Yeah, or you just didn’t. The way I work, writing and recording can become one thing. 

Apollo: I had a song and it went platinum, called “Evergreen.” It’s about watching another relationship form in front of me. I was like, “Oh, people are reacting to this song emotionally.” So I figured I needed to make even more sad music. If I can just amplify the sadness, I feel like that is what’s going to feel authentic for me: “Oh, this is how it’s being perceived. How can I keep it authentic to me but still—”

Buckingham: There’s nothing wrong with taking in external input, but at the end of the day, you can’t let that be a driving force. A lot of artists who do what’s expected of them forget who you are and why you got into it in the first place. It sounds like you already know that intuitively, so that’s a good place to be.

Apollo: I’m trying, man. I love this shit too much. Hearing you say the name of my album and naming off songs means so much to me. I was a little scared. “He’s going to be like, ‘This fucking young guy.’”

Buckingham: I wasn’t really super aware of you before all of this, but my daughters were.

Apollo: Oh, they were?

Buckingham: Yes. I have three [kids]. 

Apollo: They got good taste, man.

Buckingham: They were psyched. One of the things that was so cool about touring with Fleetwood Mac, there was a point, probably early 2000s, when I’d see three generations of people in the audience. And you’re going, “OK, well if it’s making sense to the 75-year-old, but it’s also making sense to the 15-year-old, we must have done something right.”

Apollo: That’s what I want. What really sticks is authenticity.

Buckingham: I think it can be hard. It’s probably hard being Taylor Swift. Although she seems like she’s handling it pretty well, all things considered. Not sure about Matty Healy, that kind of came and went. He seems like a loose cannon, that guy.

Apollo: You’re funny.

Buckingham: I mean, I like that band, but …

Apollo: You’re tapped in, man. 

Buckingham: I try to keep up as much as I can because there’s good stuff out there.

Apollo: When people say, like, “Oh, no, music isn’t good,” it’s like you’re just not looking for it.

Buckingham: Sometimes it’s better than other times. But if you want a great pop song, listen to “As It Was,” by Harry Styles. I mean, come on.

Lindsey, I wanted to ask about this space we’re in and how you used it for “Tusk.” 

Buckingham: I used to try to leave here at a reasonable hour, midnight or so. I didn’t want to stay here all night. Mick wouldn’t let me leave. If I wanted to leave, I’d have to say, “Hey, I’m going to the bathroom,” and I’d just walk out to my car. A bunch of times Mick would come out and grab me.

Apollo: That’s how it is in the studio. You look up and it’s, like, six o’clock in the morning.

Buckingham: Crazy. And in those days, with all the substances— 

Lindsey, is it weird coming back into the space that they made for “Tusk”?

Buckingham: Christine [McVie] and I were here more recently. We were trying to make a Fleetwood Mac album, but Stevie refused to participate. But we had John and Mick in here, and Christine and me, four out of five, and we did what ended up being a duet album back in 2017, I guess. It was great.

Apollo: There was this one song on it that I really loved, “In My World.” That song is fire.

What’s it like listening to that album with Christine now, a few months after she passed?

Buckingham: I did listen to it once after she passed, and it held up very well for me. It was sad losing her. No one really saw that coming. She’d been ill for a little while, but no one really expected her to die.… I got to take Christine out on the road. She’d never seen what it was like touring outside of Fleetwood Mac and all the politics. I think it was really an eye-opener for her about what the whole thing should be more of. Fleetwood Mac was always a family, but was always a dysfunctional family.

Lindsey, last time we spoke, you told me that you would come back to Fleetwood Mac “like a shot.”

Buckingham: And I would.… I always have been ready to come back if the opportunity presented itself. We could still do it now, even without Christine. But the only way that would happen is if Stevie said she wanted to do it. She’d have to have some kind of an epiphany, and I don’t necessarily see that happening. I think that ending on the proper note would be a better way to do it than the way it has been left.

Apollo: I had this thing that whenever there’s someone in my life I write a song about, that I’m intimately involved with, I send it to them to see if they catch on if it’s about them or not. Or they ask, “Is this about me?” And I’m like, “Yeah, that one’s about you.”

Buckingham: I was still writing songs occasionally about Stevie, not that long ago, but most of the songs in the last 20 years have been about my wife. 

Apollo: Recently, I was writing from a perspective from when I was a child, because those are moments that happened and it doesn’t mean that you feel it right now. But you remember.